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Can't enter alpha character in text
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Nancy Allison
2013-07-19 18:17:34 UTC
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<div style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: rgb(0, 0, 0); FONT-SIZE: 12px"><DIV>Hi, all. I use FM 10&nbsp;on a Windows 7 system.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;I am wasting way, way too much time trying to accomplish a simple thing: I am trying to insert a lower case alpha (looks like a fish, or a lower-case a) into text.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>The key code Numlock-alt-097, provided in the FrameMaker 9 special character set does not work (it comes out as an "x"). I have gone cross-eyed trying to find the character in the Character Palette, which does not seem to provide a way to search for the character. </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>If anyone can solve this annoyance for me, I will be very grateful.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>--Nancy</DIV></div>
Stuart Rogers
2013-07-19 18:30:30 UTC
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Hi, all. I use FM 10 on a Windows 7 system.
I am wasting way, way too much time trying to accomplish a simple
thing: I am trying to insert a lower case alpha (looks like a fish, or
a lower-case a) into text.
The key code Numlock-alt-097, provided in the FrameMaker 9 special
character set does not work (it comes out as an "x"). I have gone
cross-eyed trying to find the character in the Character Palette,
which does not seem to provide a way to search for the character.
You can make a variable containing \u03B1 and insert it as required,
provided the font you are using contains that glyph.

HTH,
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Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain@aeris.net)
2013-07-19 18:33:14 UTC
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Alt-097 is simply the character lower-case ‘a’. Enter it, highlight it and then set it to the symbol font (using the character designer preferably!) and it will show you what you want.

Z

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Subject: Can't enter alpha character in text

Hi, all. I use FM 10 on a Windows 7 system.

I am wasting way, way too much time trying to accomplish a simple thing: I am trying to insert a lower case alpha (looks like a fish, or a lower-case a) into text.

The key code Numlock-alt-097, provided in the FrameMaker 9 special character set does not work (it comes out as an "x"). I have gone cross-eyed trying to find the character in the Character Palette, which does not seem to provide a way to search for the character.

If anyone can solve this annoyance for me, I will be very grateful.

--Nancy
Nancy Allison
2013-07-19 18:44:50 UTC
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<div style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: rgb(0, 0, 0); FONT-SIZE: 12px"><DIV>Hi, all.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Well, life turned out to be simpler than I'd feared.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>(Syed, I didn't get the result you describe. As you stated, Alt-097 produces a lowercase a (in Arial, anyway). When I switch it to Symbol, I got a small uppercase A in what looks like a serif font.)</DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>However, I copied and pasted my source text from a Word file into NotePad. The symbol came through. I then copied and pasted it into FrameMaker. The symbol came through again!</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>So I'm all set for now. Gawd, if I never had to struggle with another font issue, I would die happy.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;Thanks, everyone. Happy Friday!</DIV><DIV style="MARGIN: 5px 0px; BORDER-TOP: #bcbcbc 1px solid"></DIV><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12px">On 07/19/13, <SPAN>Syed Zaeem Hosain (***@aeris.net)&lt;***@aeris.net&gt;</SPAN> wrote:</SPAN><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12px"><DIV class=WordSection1><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Alt-097 is simply the character lower-case ‘a’. Enter it, highlight it and then set it to the symbol font (using the character designer preferably!) and it will show you what you want.</SPAN></P><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">&nbsp;</SPAN></P><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Z</SPAN></P><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">&nbsp;</SPAN></P><P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> <A class=parsedEmail href="mailto:framers-***@lists.frameusers.com" target=_blank>framers-***@lists.frameusers.com</A> [<A class=parsedLink href="mailto:framers-***@lists.frameusers.com" target=_blank>mailto:framers-***@lists.frameusers.com</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Nancy Allison<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 19, 2013 11:18 AM<BR><B>To:</B> <A class=parsedEmail href="mailto:***@lists.frameusers.com" target=_blank>***@lists.frameusers.com</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> Can't enter alpha character in text</SPAN></P><P class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;</P><DIV><DIV><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Hi, all. I use FM 10&nbsp;on a Windows 7 system.</SPAN></P></DIV><DIV><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">&nbsp;</SPAN></P></DIV><DIV><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">&nbsp;I am wasting way, way too much time trying to accomplish a simple thing: I am trying to insert a lower case alpha (looks like a fish, or a lower-case a) into text.</SPAN></P></DIV><DIV><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">&nbsp;</SPAN></P></DIV><DIV><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">The key code Numlock-alt-097, provided in the FrameMaker 9 special character set does not work (it comes out as an "x"). I have gone cross-eyed trying to find the character in the Character Palette, which does not seem to provide a way to search for the character. </SPAN></P></DIV><DIV><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">&nbsp;</SPAN></P></DIV><DIV><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">If anyone can solve this annoyance for me, I will be very grateful.</SPAN></P></DIV><DIV><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">&nbsp;</SPAN></P></DIV><DIV><P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">--Nancy</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></div>
Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain@aeris.net)
2013-07-19 20:12:48 UTC
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Hmmm 
 do you have the symbol font installed? The symptom you describe is what generally what I see happen when a font is not available to FM 
 it just displays the base character (‘a’ in this case).

Because, I just tested it in FM and it worked fine for me!

Of course, if you are using Unicode fonts, then it is better to use the Unicode value for the alpha character rather than an ‘a’ in the symbol font. I based my response (i.e., using 097) from your original question. J

Z

From: framers-***@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-***@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 11:45 AM
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Subject: Re: RE: Can't enter alpha character in text

Hi, all.

Well, life turned out to be simpler than I'd feared.

(Syed, I didn't get the result you describe. As you stated, Alt-097 produces a lowercase a (in Arial, anyway). When I switch it to Symbol, I got a small uppercase A in what looks like a serif font.)

However, I copied and pasted my source text from a Word file into NotePad. The symbol came through. I then copied and pasted it into FrameMaker. The symbol came through again!

So I'm all set for now. Gawd, if I never had to struggle with another font issue, I would die happy.

Thanks, everyone. Happy Friday!
On 07/19/13, Syed Zaeem Hosain (***@aeris.net)<***@aeris.net<mailto:***@aeris.net)%***@aeris.net>> wrote:

Alt-097 is simply the character lower-case ‘a’. Enter it, highlight it and then set it to the symbol font (using the character designer preferably!) and it will show you what you want.

Z

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Subject: Can't enter alpha character in text

Hi, all. I use FM 10 on a Windows 7 system.

I am wasting way, way too much time trying to accomplish a simple thing: I am trying to insert a lower case alpha (looks like a fish, or a lower-case a) into text.

The key code Numlock-alt-097, provided in the FrameMaker 9 special character set does not work (it comes out as an "x"). I have gone cross-eyed trying to find the character in the Character Palette, which does not seem to provide a way to search for the character.

If anyone can solve this annoyance for me, I will be very grateful.

--Nancy
Fred Ridder
2013-07-19 18:53:14 UTC
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Where did you get that 097 code point? Decimal 097 (hex 0061) is actually the code point for a Latin lower-case "a", and perhaps the instruction you cite assumed that you would format the character as Symbol font, which maps the Greek alphabet to the corresponding Latin alphabet code points and yields an alpha glyph in place of a Latin "a" glyph.

But if you're using a Unicode font that supports the appropriate codepage, you should be able to use the code point for the proper Greek character, which is hex 03B1 (u+03B1). There are several ways to insert this character:
You can use the Character palette (File > Utilities > Character Palette)
You can use the File > Utilities > Hex Input commandYou can type it directly using the hex keypad mode described in the list last weekYou can copy the character from the Windows Character Map tool and paste it into the FrameMaker document.

-Fred Ridder


Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 13:17:34 -0500
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Subject: Can't enter alpha character in text

Hi, all. I use FM 10 on a Windows 7 system. I am wasting way, way too much time trying to accomplish a simple thing: I am trying to insert a lower case alpha (looks like a fish, or a lower-case a) into text. The key code Numlock-alt-097, provided in the FrameMaker 9 special character set does not work (it comes out as an "x"). I have gone cross-eyed trying to find the character in the Character Palette, which does not seem to provide a way to search for the character. If anyone can solve this annoyance for me, I will be very grateful. --Nancy
Nancy Allison
2013-07-19 19:12:25 UTC
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<div style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: rgb(0, 0, 0); FONT-SIZE: 12px"><DIV>&nbsp;Hi. I got the information from </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><A href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=&amp;esrc=s&amp;frm=1&amp;source=web&amp;cd=1&amp;cad=rja&amp;ved=0CD0QFjAA&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fhelp.adobe.com%2Fen_US%2FFrameMaker%2F9.0%2FCharacterSets%2Fcharacter_sets.pdf&amp;ei=GY_pUZeXE8n8rQHv94GIAw&amp;usg=AFQjCNEADIHLoVklxZjm2FE3eoYSJiivNA&amp;sig2=eqrSkmCmmAGN9qHV8eEcMg&amp;bvm=bv.49478099,d.aWM">http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=&amp;esrc=s&amp;frm=1&amp;source=web&amp;cd=1&amp;cad=rja&amp;ved=0CD0QFjAA&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fhelp.adobe.com%2Fen_US%2FFrameMaker%2F9.0%2FCharacterSets%2Fcharacter_sets.pdf&amp;ei=GY_pUZeXE8n8rQHv94GIAw&amp;usg=AFQjCNEADIHLoVklxZjm2FE3eoYSJiivNA&amp;sig2=eqrSkmCmmAGN9qHV8eEcMg&amp;bvm=bv.49478099,d.aWM</A></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Sorry the URL is so long. It's the Character Set book for FrameMaker 9. I hoped it would work for FM 10, too.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Obviously, I need to update my understanding of FM 10 and character sets.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Thanks, everyone. I am saving your responses for reference the next time the special-character struggle comes up. Which it will.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV style="MARGIN: 5px 0px; BORDER-TOP: #bcbcbc 1px solid"></DIV><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12px">On 07/19/13, <SPAN>Fred Ridder&lt;***@hotmail.com&gt;</SPAN> wrote:</SPAN><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12px"><DIV dir=ltr>Where did you get that 097 code point?&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></div>
Lin Sims
2013-07-19 19:22:53 UTC
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Hi Nancy,

If you look closely at the table, you'll see that the alpha symbol appears
in the Symbol font column. In other words, Adobe/Frame is advising that you
enter ANSI 097 (for "a") and apply the Symbol font. So you understood just
fine, you just missed the last step. At the end of the week, that's
understandable!
Post by Nancy Allison
Hi. I got the information from
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CD0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhelp.adobe.com%2Fen_US%2FFrameMaker%2F9.0%2FCharacterSets%2Fcharacter_sets.pdf&ei=GY_pUZeXE8n8rQHv94GIAw&usg=AFQjCNEADIHLoVklxZjm2FE3eoYSJiivNA&sig2=eqrSkmCmmAGN9qHV8eEcMg&bvm=bv.49478099,d.aWM
Sorry the URL is so long. It's the Character Set book for FrameMaker 9. I
hoped it would work for FM 10, too.
Obviously, I need to update my understanding of FM 10 and character sets.
Thanks, everyone. I am saving your responses for reference the next time
the special-character struggle comes up. Which it will.
Where did you get that 097 code point?
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Fred Ridder
2013-07-19 19:37:41 UTC
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The table that contains the ANSI 097 <-> lower-case alpha mapping is in the section titled "Symbol and ZapfDingbats character sets" and the lower-case alpha character and character name are in the column of the table headed "Symbol set: graphic and name". What this tells you is that this character mapping applies *only* to the Symbol font. This method--relying on the character mapping of a specific font--is the old, pre-Unicode way of implementing special characters. The rightmost columns of the same table tell you that the same ANSI code will produce an outlined, 8-petal floral dingbat if the character is formatted as ZapfDingbats.

Unless you have a specific requirement to avoid Unicode (e.g., a need to produce MIF files that are compatible with FM versions prior to v8), it is generally better to reference special characters by their Unicode hex code, which is (theoretically, at least) universal in any Unicode font that supports the codepage that contains the character.

-FR


Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 14:12:25 -0500
From: ***@verizon.net
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Subject: Re: RE: Can't enter alpha character in text

Hi. I got the information from http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CD0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhelp.adobe.com%2Fen_US%2FFrameMaker%2F9.0%2FCharacterSets%2Fcharacter_sets.pdf&ei=GY_pUZeXE8n8rQHv94GIAw&usg=AFQjCNEADIHLoVklxZjm2FE3eoYSJiivNA&sig2=eqrSkmCmmAGN9qHV8eEcMg&bvm=bv.49478099,d.aWM Sorry the URL is so long. It's the Character Set book for FrameMaker 9. I hoped it would work for FM 10, too. Obviously, I need to update my understanding of FM 10 and character sets. Thanks, everyone. I am saving your responses for reference the next time the special-character struggle comes up. Which it will. On 07/19/13, Fred Ridder<***@hotmail.com> wrote: Where did you get that 097 code point?
Combs, Richard
2013-07-19 19:49:19 UTC
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Post by Fred Ridder
The table that contains the ANSI 097 <-> lower-case alpha mapping is in the
section titled "Symbol and ZapfDingbats character sets" and the lower-case
alpha character and character name are in the column of the table headed
"Symbol set: graphic and name". What this tells you is that this character
mapping applies *only* to the Symbol font. This method--relying on the
character mapping of a specific font--is the old, pre-Unicode way of
implementing special characters. The rightmost columns of the same table tell
you that the same ANSI code will produce an outlined, 8-petal floral dingbat
if the character is formatted as ZapfDingbats.
Unless you have a specific requirement to avoid Unicode (e.g., a need to
produce MIF files that are compatible with FM versions prior to v8), it is
generally better to reference special characters by their Unicode hex code,
which is (theoretically, at least) universal in any Unicode font that supports
the codepage that contains the character.
In fact, if you read "FrameMaker 9 character sets" on page 4 of that PDF instead of jumping to the tables in the "Support for FrameMaker 7.x character set" section, you'll see information about how to enter Unicode characters, and it mirrors what Fred posted earlier.

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
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303-903-6372
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Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain@aeris.net)
2013-07-19 20:17:00 UTC
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FM 9 and FM 10 should work identically in regard to _this_ font issue, so no need to worry about that in this case. :)

Most importantly, from that link document, on page 13, it shows that you need to use the Symbol font to get an alpha (for the value 097).

Z

From: framers-***@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-***@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 12:12 PM
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Subject: Re: RE: Can't enter alpha character in text

Hi. I got the information from

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CD0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhelp.adobe.com%2Fen_US%2FFrameMaker%2F9.0%2FCharacterSets%2Fcharacter_sets.pdf&ei=GY_pUZeXE8n8rQHv94GIAw&usg=AFQjCNEADIHLoVklxZjm2FE3eoYSJiivNA&sig2=eqrSkmCmmAGN9qHV8eEcMg&bvm=bv.49478099,d.aWM

Sorry the URL is so long. It's the Character Set book for FrameMaker 9. I hoped it would work for FM 10, too.

Obviously, I need to update my understanding of FM 10 and character sets.

Thanks, everyone. I am saving your responses for reference the next time the special-character struggle comes up. Which it will.


On 07/19/13, Fred Ridder<***@hotmail.com<mailto:***@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Where did you get that 097 code point?
Craig Ede
2013-07-19 22:28:31 UTC
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This might be the perfect time for this question:

In a structured xml document we've defined an element called <uni> that is used to contain glyphs that are known to exist in Arial Unicode MS. Most of the rest of the document text is in Arial. We have the <uni> element mapping to a character tag called unicodeFont that is defined to change the font family to Arial Unicode MS and set the Weight and Variation as Regular.



When the xml is brought into Framemaker, all the <uni> elements end up as Arial, many of which then show as question marks, yet they are tagged with the correct character format. If we select one and change the family to Arial Unicode MS and update all, all the characters become what we expect.



If anyone can explain why these are not coming in as Arial Unicode MS as they should, I would greatly appreciate it. Our italics formatting uses the same strategy, and it works. Why would the Font Family be different.



Thanks.

Craig
Robert Lauriston
2013-07-19 18:46:01 UTC
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Are you sure there's an alpha in the font you're using? You can
inspect it with Windows' Character Map utility. It will indicate the
key sequence to type it in the status bar.

If you're using a Unicode font, 097 is wrong. Use one of the methods
documented here:

http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/3b1/index.htm

Or just cut and paste from the "browser test page" that links to.
Hi, all. I use FM 10 on a Windows 7 system.
I am wasting way, way too much time trying to accomplish a simple thing: I
am trying to insert a lower case alpha (looks like a fish, or a lower-case
a) into text.
The key code Numlock-alt-097, provided in the FrameMaker 9 special character
set does not work (it comes out as an "x").
Ann Zdunczyk
2013-07-20 16:58:38 UTC
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For years I have used a software product called PopChar. I displays all the
characters in a font and by clicking on the character it will place it in
your application. Here is the URL:
http://www.ergonis.com/products/popcharx/. It works on MAC and PC.

Z

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To: Nancy Allison; ***@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Can't enter alpha character in text

Are you sure there's an alpha in the font you're using? You can inspect it
with Windows' Character Map utility. It will indicate the key sequence to
type it in the status bar.

If you're using a Unicode font, 097 is wrong. Use one of the methods
documented here:

http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/3b1/index.htm

Or just cut and paste from the "browser test page" that links to.
Hi, all. I use FM 10 on a Windows 7 system.
I am wasting way, way too much time trying to accomplish a simple
thing: I am trying to insert a lower case alpha (looks like a fish, or
a lower-case
a) into text.
The key code Numlock-alt-097, provided in the FrameMaker 9 special
character set does not work (it comes out as an "x").
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