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FM 11 / FM 14 compatibility
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Marek, James
2018-11-28 21:34:19 UTC
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After 5 years of using Word, I get to use FrameMaker again! My colleagues are using FM 11, but the IT folks just gave me a link and license for FM 14. Can I save my work (FM 14) in .fm and .book files that my colleagues can use (FM 11)?

Regards,
Jim Marek
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Rick Quatro
2018-11-28 21:53:06 UTC
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You need my ConvertDocs script. It works great and is cheap!

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Subject: [Framers] FM 11 / FM 14 compatibility

After 5 years of using Word, I get to use FrameMaker again! My colleagues
are using FM 11, but the IT folks just gave me a link and license for FM 14.
Can I save my work (FM 14) in .fm and .book files that my colleagues can use
(FM 11)?

Regards,
Jim Marek
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Jayaprakash Gnanamurthy
2018-11-30 02:54:12 UTC
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FrameMaker only allows doing a save as to one previous version (R-1).
Example: If using FM 14, the files can only be saved as to the FM 13
version.

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> After 5 years of using Word, I get to use FrameMaker again! My colleagues
> are using FM 11, but the IT folks just gave me a link and license for FM
> 14. Can I save my work (FM 14) in .fm and .book files that my colleagues
> can use (FM 11)?
>
> Regards,
> Jim Marek
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 21:46:36 +0000
> From: "Bragg, Judy - Xylem" <***@hypack.com>
> To: "***@lists.frameusers.com" <***@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: [Framers] Table footnotes
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> I'm working in unstructured Tech. Comm. Suite 2015, and I have come across
> a couple of problems with table footnotes. I hope someone out there has a
> way around them.
>
> In FM, Table Footnote rolls to the next page:
> I have one instance where "the stars have aligned" and the table happens
> to end right at the bottom of the page, then the table footnotes appear at
> the top of the next. I'd really prefer that at least 1 row of the table
> roll to the next page so the footnotes aren't orphaned.
>
> I thought it might have to do with the fact that this table is in a text
> inset, but if I go to the source document where the inset is and shorten
> the text flow to beneath the table, the footnotes roll as orphans there too.
>
> The Table Footnote paragraph style is set to Keep With Previous.
> Changing table body styles to Keep With the Next would cause other, more
> frequent problems.
> Other ideas?
>
> Links to Table Footnotes:
> In FM, I have a table where 3 cells should reference the same footnote.
> I inserted a footnote in the table at the first instance, then manually
> made a superscript letter coinciding to that footnote in the other 2 cells
> and hyperlinked them to the table footnote.
>
> It works in FM, but when I port over to RoboHelp for the CHM files,
> instead of the manual hyperlinks in those 2 cells, the whole content of the
> footnote appears after the cell body text! For the moment, I've just
> removed the hyperlinks, but I'm curious why my method isn't working and if
> there's another way.
>
> Judy Bragg
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> Subject: [Framers] FM 11 / FM 14 compatibility
>
> After 5 years of using Word, I get to use FrameMaker again! My colleagues
> are using FM 11, but the IT folks just gave me a link and license for FM
> 14.
> Can I save my work (FM 14) in .fm and .book files that my colleagues can
> use
> (FM 11)?
>
> Regards,
> Jim Marek
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> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 08:13:49 -0500
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> Subject: Re: [Framers] Table footnotes
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> You could try increasing the row height slightly for that table so that a
> row or two rolls to the next page. I don't think using the Keep with Next
> will do what you're looking for, anyway, since it affects the table rows,
> not the footnotes.
>
> Truthfully, I've never been entirely happy with how Frame handles
> footnotes, particularly ones for tables. It's one of the few times where I
> think Word handles it better, which means it's one of the few things Word
> does that I agree with. ;-)
>
> I don't port to any Help formats, so I've no idea why it's pulling the text
> of the footnote. Generally speaking, though, if you want to have multiple
> references to the same footnote, best practise is to use the
> cross-reference function, not manually typing and adding a hyperlink. This
> has the added benefit that if your footnote numbering changes, the xref
> automatically updates on your next regen of the book file.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 8:25 PM Bragg, Judy - Xylem <***@hypack.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm working in unstructured Tech. Comm. Suite 2015, and I have come
> across
> > a couple of problems with table footnotes. I hope someone out there has a
> > way around them.
> >
> > In FM, Table Footnote rolls to the next page:
> > I have one instance where "the stars have aligned" and the table happens
> > to end right at the bottom of the page, then the table footnotes appear
> at
> > the top of the next. I'd really prefer that at least 1 row of the table
> > roll to the next page so the footnotes aren't orphaned.
> >
> > I thought it might have to do with the fact that this table is in a text
> > inset, but if I go to the source document where the inset is and shorten
> > the text flow to beneath the table, the footnotes roll as orphans there
> too.
> >
> > The Table Footnote paragraph style is set to Keep With Previous.
> > Changing table body styles to Keep With the Next would cause other, more
> > frequent problems.
> > Other ideas?
> >
> > Links to Table Footnotes:
> > In FM, I have a table where 3 cells should reference the same footnote.
> > I inserted a footnote in the table at the first instance, then manually
> > made a superscript letter coinciding to that footnote in the other 2
> cells
> > and hyperlinked them to the table footnote.
> >
> > It works in FM, but when I port over to RoboHelp for the CHM files,
> > instead of the manual hyperlinks in those 2 cells, the whole content of
> the
> > footnote appears after the cell body text! For the moment, I've just
> > removed the hyperlinks, but I'm curious why my method isn't working and
> if
> > there's another way.
> >
> > Judy Bragg
> > Technical Writer/QC
> > HYPACK - A Xylem Brand
> > 56 Bradley St.
> > Middletown, CT 06457
> > O: +1.860.635.1500
> > ***@xyleminc.com<mailto:***@xyleminc.com>
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> I'm facing the challenge of organizing the file structure of dozens of
> documents and their respective imported graphics. What's are the best
> practices in this regard? I'm inclined to maintain an Images folder with
> separate sub-folders for each document's graphics, and another sub-folder
> for graphics that are common to multiple documents.
>
> Where I worked before we stored images in a sub-folder below the document's
> FM folder, but I'm leaning away from that approach since it complicates
> things when you are scanning images outside of Frame. And other reasons,
> of course.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Doug
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> All in one folder, period. Modern OSs have great search, sort, and
> filter controls in their file managers; and it makes packaging for
> version archiving simple.
> My 2?
> David
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> At my former job, we assigned all graphics a number and everything got
> dumped in a single folder. A spreadsheet kept track of the name of the
> graphic, which was usually just the caption. Finding a graphic was very
> easy if we had the number, and only a little less easy if we had a keyword
> or two we could home in on.
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 2:57 PM David Artman <***@davidartman.com>
> wrote:
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> > All in one folder, period. Modern OSs have great search, sort, and
> > filter controls in their file managers; and it makes packaging for
> > version archiving simple.
> > My 2?
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> I have to concur with the suggestions to keep everything associated with a
> project / book in one folder - even though it seemed counterintuitive to
> organizing by subfolder. I have a 12 chapter textbook with 150 figures and
> tried segregating the graphics into a separate subfolder and ensuring the
> linking path was correct. But, having to move across systems - and
> generating FM pdf book output as well as WebWorks for epub and HTML5 book
> output - convinced me that one folder works best. But, without an SVN type
> repository I did have to move older chapters to a separate folder (if I
> needed to save versions) and could keep the master folder with everything
> being used in the project.
> Bill
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>
> At my former job, we assigned all graphics a number and everything got
> dumped in a single folder. A spreadsheet kept track of the name of the
> graphic, which was usually just the caption. Finding a graphic was very
> easy if we had the number, and only a little less easy if we had a keyword
> or two we could home in on.
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 2:57 PM David Artman <***@davidartman.com>
> wrote:
>
> > All in one folder, period. Modern OSs have great search, sort, and
> > filter controls in their file managers; and it makes packaging for
> > version archiving simple.
> > My 2?
> > David
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Lin Sims
2018-11-30 13:02:13 UTC
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If you use a script (I think Rick Quatro sells one, and I have a homebrew
version), you can save to any previous version of FM. It's only on the File
> Save As menu that you can only choose the previous version.

On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 9:54 PM Jayaprakash Gnanamurthy <
***@gmail.com> wrote:

> FrameMaker only allows doing a save as to one previous version (R-1).
> Example: If using FM 14, the files can only be saved as to the FM 13
> version.
>
>
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Marek, James
2018-11-30 16:58:23 UTC
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Thanks for all your advice and cautions. We decided to take the easy route and use FM 11 for compatibility within the project. If the situation changes, I will go back and review all the comments

Thanks again,
Jim Marek

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Subject: Re: [Framers] FM 11 / FM 14 compatibility

If you use a script (I think Rick Quatro sells one, and I have a homebrew version), you can save to any previous version of FM. It's only on the File
> Save As menu that you can only choose the previous version.

On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 9:54 PM Jayaprakash Gnanamurthy < ***@gmail.com> wrote:

> FrameMaker only allows doing a save as to one previous version (R-1).
> Example: If using FM 14, the files can only be saved as to the FM 13
> version.
>
>
>

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Craig Ede
2018-11-30 15:17:58 UTC
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Not true, as Rick and Lin's postings indicate. Extendscript allows saving to a number of previous formats. Extendscript only functions in versions FM10 and up, but, if memory serves (a big caveat), you can save back to at least v7.1. Of course, the use of any new features will be lost when doing that, so use the same template as the folks using your previous version to avoid that.

Craig
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FrameMaker only allows doing a save as to one previous version (R-1).
Example: If using FM 14, the files can only be saved as to the FM 13
version.

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> 5. File storage best practice (Doug)
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> From: "Marek, James" <***@siemens.com>
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> Subject: [Framers] FM 11 / FM 14 compatibility
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> After 5 years of using Word, I get to use FrameMaker again! My colleagues
> are using FM 11, but the IT folks just gave me a link and license for FM
> 14. Can I save my work (FM 14) in .fm and .book files that my colleagues
> can use (FM 11)?
>
> Regards,
> Jim Marek
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 21:46:36 +0000
> From: "Bragg, Judy - Xylem" <***@hypack.com>
> To: "***@lists.frameusers.com" <***@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: [Framers] Table footnotes
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> I'm working in unstructured Tech. Comm. Suite 2015, and I have come across
> a couple of problems with table footnotes. I hope someone out there has a
> way around them.
>
> In FM, Table Footnote rolls to the next page:
> I have one instance where "the stars have aligned" and the table happens
> to end right at the bottom of the page, then the table footnotes appear at
> the top of the next. I'd really prefer that at least 1 row of the table
> roll to the next page so the footnotes aren't orphaned.
>
> I thought it might have to do with the fact that this table is in a text
> inset, but if I go to the source document where the inset is and shorten
> the text flow to beneath the table, the footnotes roll as orphans there too.
>
> The Table Footnote paragraph style is set to Keep With Previous.
> Changing table body styles to Keep With the Next would cause other, more
> frequent problems.
> Other ideas?
>
> Links to Table Footnotes:
> In FM, I have a table where 3 cells should reference the same footnote.
> I inserted a footnote in the table at the first instance, then manually
> made a superscript letter coinciding to that footnote in the other 2 cells
> and hyperlinked them to the table footnote.
>
> It works in FM, but when I port over to RoboHelp for the CHM files,
> instead of the manual hyperlinks in those 2 cells, the whole content of the
> footnote appears after the cell body text! For the moment, I've just
> removed the hyperlinks, but I'm curious why my method isn't working and if
> there's another way.
>
> Judy Bragg
> Technical Writer/QC
> HYPACK - A Xylem Brand
> 56 Bradley St.
> Middletown, CT 06457
> O: +1.860.635.1500
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> You need my ConvertDocs script. It works great and is cheap!
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> http://www.frameexpert.com/store/
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> -----Original Message-----
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> On
> Behalf Of Marek, James
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 4:34 PM
> To: ***@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: [Framers] FM 11 / FM 14 compatibility
>
> After 5 years of using Word, I get to use FrameMaker again! My colleagues
> are using FM 11, but the IT folks just gave me a link and license for FM
> 14.
> Can I save my work (FM 14) in .fm and .book files that my colleagues can
> use
> (FM 11)?
>
> Regards,
> Jim Marek
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> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 08:13:49 -0500
> From: Lin Sims <***@gmail.com>
> To: Frame Users <***@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Table footnotes
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> You could try increasing the row height slightly for that table so that a
> row or two rolls to the next page. I don't think using the Keep with Next
> will do what you're looking for, anyway, since it affects the table rows,
> not the footnotes.
>
> Truthfully, I've never been entirely happy with how Frame handles
> footnotes, particularly ones for tables. It's one of the few times where I
> think Word handles it better, which means it's one of the few things Word
> does that I agree with. ;-)
>
> I don't port to any Help formats, so I've no idea why it's pulling the text
> of the footnote. Generally speaking, though, if you want to have multiple
> references to the same footnote, best practise is to use the
> cross-reference function, not manually typing and adding a hyperlink. This
> has the added benefit that if your footnote numbering changes, the xref
> automatically updates on your next regen of the book file.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 8:25 PM Bragg, Judy - Xylem <***@hypack.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm working in unstructured Tech. Comm. Suite 2015, and I have come
> across
> > a couple of problems with table footnotes. I hope someone out there has a
> > way around them.
> >
> > In FM, Table Footnote rolls to the next page:
> > I have one instance where "the stars have aligned" and the table happens
> > to end right at the bottom of the page, then the table footnotes appear
> at
> > the top of the next. I'd really prefer that at least 1 row of the table
> > roll to the next page so the footnotes aren't orphaned.
> >
> > I thought it might have to do with the fact that this table is in a text
> > inset, but if I go to the source document where the inset is and shorten
> > the text flow to beneath the table, the footnotes roll as orphans there
> too.
> >
> > The Table Footnote paragraph style is set to Keep With Previous.
> > Changing table body styles to Keep With the Next would cause other, more
> > frequent problems.
> > Other ideas?
> >
> > Links to Table Footnotes:
> > In FM, I have a table where 3 cells should reference the same footnote.
> > I inserted a footnote in the table at the first instance, then manually
> > made a superscript letter coinciding to that footnote in the other 2
> cells
> > and hyperlinked them to the table footnote.
> >
> > It works in FM, but when I port over to RoboHelp for the CHM files,
> > instead of the manual hyperlinks in those 2 cells, the whole content of
> the
> > footnote appears after the cell body text! For the moment, I've just
> > removed the hyperlinks, but I'm curious why my method isn't working and
> if
> > there's another way.
> >
> > Judy Bragg
> > Technical Writer/QC
> > HYPACK - A Xylem Brand
> > 56 Bradley St.
> > Middletown, CT 06457
> > O: +1.860.635.1500
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 13:25:51 -0500
> From: Doug <***@gmail.com>
> To: Framers <***@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: [Framers] File storage best practice
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> I'm facing the challenge of organizing the file structure of dozens of
> documents and their respective imported graphics. What's are the best
> practices in this regard? I'm inclined to maintain an Images folder with
> separate sub-folders for each document's graphics, and another sub-folder
> for graphics that are common to multiple documents.
>
> Where I worked before we stored images in a sub-folder below the document's
> FM folder, but I'm leaning away from that approach since it complicates
> things when you are scanning images outside of Frame. And other reasons,
> of course.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Doug
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 14:57:42 -0500
> From: David Artman <***@DavidArtman.com>
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> All in one folder, period. Modern OSs have great search, sort, and
> filter controls in their file managers; and it makes packaging for
> version archiving simple.
> My 2?
> David
> [DCA:d.a.d.]
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> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 15:18:26 -0500
> From: Lin Sims <***@gmail.com>
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> At my former job, we assigned all graphics a number and everything got
> dumped in a single folder. A spreadsheet kept track of the name of the
> graphic, which was usually just the caption. Finding a graphic was very
> easy if we had the number, and only a little less easy if we had a keyword
> or two we could home in on.
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 2:57 PM David Artman <***@davidartman.com>
> wrote:
>
> > All in one folder, period. Modern OSs have great search, sort, and
> > filter controls in their file managers; and it makes packaging for
> > version archiving simple.
> > My 2?
> > David
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> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 13:38:29 -0700
> From: "William Saylor" <***@earthlink.net>
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> I have to concur with the suggestions to keep everything associated with a
> project / book in one folder - even though it seemed counterintuitive to
> organizing by subfolder. I have a 12 chapter textbook with 150 figures and
> tried segregating the graphics into a separate subfolder and ensuring the
> linking path was correct. But, having to move across systems - and
> generating FM pdf book output as well as WebWorks for epub and HTML5 book
> output - convinced me that one folder works best. But, without an SVN type
> repository I did have to move older chapters to a separate folder (if I
> needed to save versions) and could keep the master folder with everything
> being used in the project.
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 1:18 PM
> To: Frame Users <***@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] File storage best practice
>
> At my former job, we assigned all graphics a number and everything got
> dumped in a single folder. A spreadsheet kept track of the name of the
> graphic, which was usually just the caption. Finding a graphic was very
> easy if we had the number, and only a little less easy if we had a keyword
> or two we could home in on.
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 2:57 PM David Artman <***@davidartman.com>
> wrote:
>
> > All in one folder, period. Modern OSs have great search, sort, and
> > filter controls in their file managers; and it makes packaging for
> > version archiving simple.
> > My 2?
> > David
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I just looked this up in the pdf at https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/pdfs/framemaker_scripting.pdf

There are a number of Properties listed that start with Constants.FV_SaveFmtBinary60 (for FM6) and go to Constants.FV_SaveFmtBinary110 (for FM11). The value used with each of these properties changes as listed in the table (pp121-122) and that results in saving a binary file of that version. I expect there are also values Constants.FV_SaveFmtBinary for the newer version that have not yet made it into this Aug. 2018 release of the documentation.

Craig
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Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 9:17 AM
To: Jayaprakash Gnanamurthy; An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] FM 11 / FM 14 compatibility

Not true, as Rick and Lin's postings indicate. Extendscript allows saving to a number of previous formats. Extendscript only functions in versions FM10 and up, but, if memory serves (a big caveat), you can save back to at least v7.1. Of course, the use of any new features will be lost when doing that, so use the same template as the folks using your previous version to avoid that.

Craig
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Subject: Re: [Framers] FM 11 / FM 14 compatibility

FrameMaker only allows doing a save as to one previous version (R-1).
Example: If using FM 14, the files can only be saved as to the FM 13
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> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 21:34:19 +0000
> From: "Marek, James" <***@siemens.com>
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> After 5 years of using Word, I get to use FrameMaker again! My colleagues
> are using FM 11, but the IT folks just gave me a link and license for FM
> 14. Can I save my work (FM 14) in .fm and .book files that my colleagues
> can use (FM 11)?
>
> Regards,
> Jim Marek
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 21:46:36 +0000
> From: "Bragg, Judy - Xylem" <***@hypack.com>
> To: "***@lists.frameusers.com" <***@lists.frameusers.com>
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> I'm working in unstructured Tech. Comm. Suite 2015, and I have come across
> a couple of problems with table footnotes. I hope someone out there has a
> way around them.
>
> In FM, Table Footnote rolls to the next page:
> I have one instance where "the stars have aligned" and the table happens
> to end right at the bottom of the page, then the table footnotes appear at
> the top of the next. I'd really prefer that at least 1 row of the table
> roll to the next page so the footnotes aren't orphaned.
>
> I thought it might have to do with the fact that this table is in a text
> inset, but if I go to the source document where the inset is and shorten
> the text flow to beneath the table, the footnotes roll as orphans there too.
>
> The Table Footnote paragraph style is set to Keep With Previous.
> Changing table body styles to Keep With the Next would cause other, more
> frequent problems.
> Other ideas?
>
> Links to Table Footnotes:
> In FM, I have a table where 3 cells should reference the same footnote.
> I inserted a footnote in the table at the first instance, then manually
> made a superscript letter coinciding to that footnote in the other 2 cells
> and hyperlinked them to the table footnote.
>
> It works in FM, but when I port over to RoboHelp for the CHM files,
> instead of the manual hyperlinks in those 2 cells, the whole content of the
> footnote appears after the cell body text! For the moment, I've just
> removed the hyperlinks, but I'm curious why my method isn't working and if
> there's another way.
>
> Judy Bragg
> Technical Writer/QC
> HYPACK - A Xylem Brand
> 56 Bradley St.
> Middletown, CT 06457
> O: +1.860.635.1500
> ***@xyleminc.com<mailto:***@xyleminc.com>
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> You need my ConvertDocs script. It works great and is cheap!
>
> http://www.frameexpert.com/store/
>
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> ***@frameexpert.com
> 585-729-6746
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> -----Original Message-----
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> On
> Behalf Of Marek, James
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 4:34 PM
> To: ***@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: [Framers] FM 11 / FM 14 compatibility
>
> After 5 years of using Word, I get to use FrameMaker again! My colleagues
> are using FM 11, but the IT folks just gave me a link and license for FM
> 14.
> Can I save my work (FM 14) in .fm and .book files that my colleagues can
> use
> (FM 11)?
>
> Regards,
> Jim Marek
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 08:13:49 -0500
> From: Lin Sims <***@gmail.com>
> To: Frame Users <***@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Table footnotes
> Message-ID:
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> You could try increasing the row height slightly for that table so that a
> row or two rolls to the next page. I don't think using the Keep with Next
> will do what you're looking for, anyway, since it affects the table rows,
> not the footnotes.
>
> Truthfully, I've never been entirely happy with how Frame handles
> footnotes, particularly ones for tables. It's one of the few times where I
> think Word handles it better, which means it's one of the few things Word
> does that I agree with. ;-)
>
> I don't port to any Help formats, so I've no idea why it's pulling the text
> of the footnote. Generally speaking, though, if you want to have multiple
> references to the same footnote, best practise is to use the
> cross-reference function, not manually typing and adding a hyperlink. This
> has the added benefit that if your footnote numbering changes, the xref
> automatically updates on your next regen of the book file.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 8:25 PM Bragg, Judy - Xylem <***@hypack.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm working in unstructured Tech. Comm. Suite 2015, and I have come
> across
> > a couple of problems with table footnotes. I hope someone out there has a
> > way around them.
> >
> > In FM, Table Footnote rolls to the next page:
> > I have one instance where "the stars have aligned" and the table happens
> > to end right at the bottom of the page, then the table footnotes appear
> at
> > the top of the next. I'd really prefer that at least 1 row of the table
> > roll to the next page so the footnotes aren't orphaned.
> >
> > I thought it might have to do with the fact that this table is in a text
> > inset, but if I go to the source document where the inset is and shorten
> > the text flow to beneath the table, the footnotes roll as orphans there
> too.
> >
> > The Table Footnote paragraph style is set to Keep With Previous.
> > Changing table body styles to Keep With the Next would cause other, more
> > frequent problems.
> > Other ideas?
> >
> > Links to Table Footnotes:
> > In FM, I have a table where 3 cells should reference the same footnote.
> > I inserted a footnote in the table at the first instance, then manually
> > made a superscript letter coinciding to that footnote in the other 2
> cells
> > and hyperlinked them to the table footnote.
> >
> > It works in FM, but when I port over to RoboHelp for the CHM files,
> > instead of the manual hyperlinks in those 2 cells, the whole content of
> the
> > footnote appears after the cell body text! For the moment, I've just
> > removed the hyperlinks, but I'm curious why my method isn't working and
> if
> > there's another way.
> >
> > Judy Bragg
> > Technical Writer/QC
> > HYPACK - A Xylem Brand
> > 56 Bradley St.
> > Middletown, CT 06457
> > O: +1.860.635.1500
> > ***@xyleminc.com<mailto:***@xyleminc.com>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 13:25:51 -0500
> From: Doug <***@gmail.com>
> To: Framers <***@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: [Framers] File storage best practice
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> I'm facing the challenge of organizing the file structure of dozens of
> documents and their respective imported graphics. What's are the best
> practices in this regard? I'm inclined to maintain an Images folder with
> separate sub-folders for each document's graphics, and another sub-folder
> for graphics that are common to multiple documents.
>
> Where I worked before we stored images in a sub-folder below the document's
> FM folder, but I'm leaning away from that approach since it complicates
> things when you are scanning images outside of Frame. And other reasons,
> of course.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Doug
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 14:57:42 -0500
> From: David Artman <***@DavidArtman.com>
> To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software."
> <***@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] File storage best practice
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> All in one folder, period. Modern OSs have great search, sort, and
> filter controls in their file managers; and it makes packaging for
> version archiving simple.
> My 2?
> David
> [DCA:d.a.d.]
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 15:18:26 -0500
> From: Lin Sims <***@gmail.com>
> To: Frame Users <***@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] File storage best practice
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> At my former job, we assigned all graphics a number and everything got
> dumped in a single folder. A spreadsheet kept track of the name of the
> graphic, which was usually just the caption. Finding a graphic was very
> easy if we had the number, and only a little less easy if we had a keyword
> or two we could home in on.
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 2:57 PM David Artman <***@davidartman.com>
> wrote:
>
> > All in one folder, period. Modern OSs have great search, sort, and
> > filter controls in their file managers; and it makes packaging for
> > version archiving simple.
> > My 2?
> > David
> > [DCA:d.a.d.]
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 13:38:29 -0700
> From: "William Saylor" <***@earthlink.net>
> To: "'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'"
> <***@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] File storage best practice
> Message-ID: <078301d48823$7ce25e70$76a71b50$@earthlink.net>
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>
> I have to concur with the suggestions to keep everything associated with a
> project / book in one folder - even though it seemed counterintuitive to
> organizing by subfolder. I have a 12 chapter textbook with 150 figures and
> tried segregating the graphics into a separate subfolder and ensuring the
> linking path was correct. But, having to move across systems - and
> generating FM pdf book output as well as WebWorks for epub and HTML5 book
> output - convinced me that one folder works best. But, without an SVN type
> repository I did have to move older chapters to a separate folder (if I
> needed to save versions) and could keep the master folder with everything
> being used in the project.
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 1:18 PM
> To: Frame Users <***@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] File storage best practice
>
> At my former job, we assigned all graphics a number and everything got
> dumped in a single folder. A spreadsheet kept track of the name of the
> graphic, which was usually just the caption. Finding a graphic was very
> easy if we had the number, and only a little less easy if we had a keyword
> or two we could home in on.
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 2:57 PM David Artman <***@davidartman.com>
> wrote:
>
> > All in one folder, period. Modern OSs have great search, sort, and
> > filter controls in their file managers; and it makes packaging for
> > version archiving simple.
> > My 2?
> > David
> > [DCA:d.a.d.]
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If Adobe maintains its pattern, then saving to FM12 would use
Constants.FV_SaveFmtBinary120 and FM13 would be
Constants.FV_SaveFmtBinary130.



On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 10:36 AM Craig Ede <***@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I just looked this up in the pdf at
> https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/pdfs/framemaker_scripting.pdf
>
> There are a number of Properties listed that start with
> Constants.FV_SaveFmtBinary60 (for FM6) and go to
> Constants.FV_SaveFmtBinary110 (for FM11). The value used with each of these
> properties changes as listed in the table (pp121-122) and that results in
> saving a binary file of that version. I expect there are also values
> Constants.FV_SaveFmtBinary for the newer version that have not yet made it
> into this Aug. 2018 release of the documentation.
>
> Craig
> ________________________________
> From: Framers <framers-bounces+craigede=***@lists.frameusers.com>
> on behalf of Craig Ede <***@hotmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 9:17 AM
> To: Jayaprakash Gnanamurthy; An email list for people using Adobe
> FrameMaker software.
> Subject: Re: [Framers] FM 11 / FM 14 compatibility
>
> Not true, as Rick and Lin's postings indicate. Extendscript allows saving
> to a number of previous formats. Extendscript only functions in versions
> FM10 and up, but, if memory serves (a big caveat), you can save back to at
> least v7.1. Of course, the use of any new features will be lost when doing
> that, so use the same template as the folks using your previous version to
> avoid that.
>
> Craig
> ________________________________
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> on behalf of Jayaprakash Gnanamurthy <***@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 8:54 PM
> To: ***@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] FM 11 / FM 14 compatibility
>
> FrameMaker only allows doing a save as to one previous version (R-1).
> Example: If using FM 14, the files can only be saved as to the FM 13
> version.
>
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> > 3. Re: FM 11 / FM 14 compatibility (Rick Quatro)
> > 4. Re: Table footnotes (Lin Sims)
> > 5. File storage best practice (Doug)
> > 6. Re: File storage best practice (David Artman)
> > 7. Re: File storage best practice (Lin Sims)
> > 8. Re: File storage best practice (William Saylor)
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> > Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 21:34:19 +0000
> > From: "Marek, James" <***@siemens.com>
> > To: "***@lists.frameusers.com" <***@lists.frameusers.com>
> > Subject: [Framers] FM 11 / FM 14 compatibility
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> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > After 5 years of using Word, I get to use FrameMaker again! My colleagues
> > are using FM 11, but the IT folks just gave me a link and license for FM
> > 14. Can I save my work (FM 14) in .fm and .book files that my colleagues
> > can use (FM 11)?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jim Marek
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 21:46:36 +0000
> > From: "Bragg, Judy - Xylem" <***@hypack.com>
> > To: "***@lists.frameusers.com" <***@lists.frameusers.com>
> > Subject: [Framers] Table footnotes
> > Message-ID:
> > <
> > ***@SEEMM1E15-06.world.fluidtechnology.net>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > I'm working in unstructured Tech. Comm. Suite 2015, and I have come
> across
> > a couple of problems with table footnotes. I hope someone out there has a
> > way around them.
> >
> > In FM, Table Footnote rolls to the next page:
> > I have one instance where "the stars have aligned" and the table happens
> > to end right at the bottom of the page, then the table footnotes appear
> at
> > the top of the next. I'd really prefer that at least 1 row of the table
> > roll to the next page so the footnotes aren't orphaned.
> >
> > I thought it might have to do with the fact that this table is in a text
> > inset, but if I go to the source document where the inset is and shorten
> > the text flow to beneath the table, the footnotes roll as orphans there
> too.
> >
> > The Table Footnote paragraph style is set to Keep With Previous.
> > Changing table body styles to Keep With the Next would cause other, more
> > frequent problems.
> > Other ideas?
> >
> > Links to Table Footnotes:
> > In FM, I have a table where 3 cells should reference the same footnote.
> > I inserted a footnote in the table at the first instance, then manually
> > made a superscript letter coinciding to that footnote in the other 2
> cells
> > and hyperlinked them to the table footnote.
> >
> > It works in FM, but when I port over to RoboHelp for the CHM files,
> > instead of the manual hyperlinks in those 2 cells, the whole content of
> the
> > footnote appears after the cell body text! For the moment, I've just
> > removed the hyperlinks, but I'm curious why my method isn't working and
> if
> > there's another way.
> >
> > Judy Bragg
> > Technical Writer/QC
> > HYPACK - A Xylem Brand
> > 56 Bradley St.
> > Middletown, CT 06457
> > O: +1.860.635.1500
> > ***@xyleminc.com<mailto:***@xyleminc.com>
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> > Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 16:53:06 -0500
> > From: "Rick Quatro" <***@rickquatro.com>
> > To: "'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'"
> > <***@lists.frameusers.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] FM 11 / FM 14 compatibility
> > Message-ID: <00c301d48764$bfc25390$3f46fab0$@rickquatro.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > You need my ConvertDocs script. It works great and is cheap!
> >
> > http://www.frameexpert.com/store/
> >
> > Rick Quatro
> > Carmen Publishing Inc.
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> >
> > Save on energy at quatro.mystream.com
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Framers <framers-bounces+rick=***@lists.frameusers.com>
> > On
> > Behalf Of Marek, James
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 4:34 PM
> > To: ***@lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: [Framers] FM 11 / FM 14 compatibility
> >
> > After 5 years of using Word, I get to use FrameMaker again! My colleagues
> > are using FM 11, but the IT folks just gave me a link and license for FM
> > 14.
> > Can I save my work (FM 14) in .fm and .book files that my colleagues can
> > use
> > (FM 11)?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jim Marek
> > _______________________________________________
> >
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 08:13:49 -0500
> > From: Lin Sims <***@gmail.com>
> > To: Frame Users <***@lists.frameusers.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Table footnotes
> > Message-ID:
> > <CA+MomCiH=
> > ***@mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > You could try increasing the row height slightly for that table so that a
> > row or two rolls to the next page. I don't think using the Keep with Next
> > will do what you're looking for, anyway, since it affects the table rows,
> > not the footnotes.
> >
> > Truthfully, I've never been entirely happy with how Frame handles
> > footnotes, particularly ones for tables. It's one of the few times where
> I
> > think Word handles it better, which means it's one of the few things Word
> > does that I agree with. ;-)
> >
> > I don't port to any Help formats, so I've no idea why it's pulling the
> text
> > of the footnote. Generally speaking, though, if you want to have multiple
> > references to the same footnote, best practise is to use the
> > cross-reference function, not manually typing and adding a hyperlink.
> This
> > has the added benefit that if your footnote numbering changes, the xref
> > automatically updates on your next regen of the book file.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 8:25 PM Bragg, Judy - Xylem <***@hypack.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I'm working in unstructured Tech. Comm. Suite 2015, and I have come
> > across
> > > a couple of problems with table footnotes. I hope someone out there
> has a
> > > way around them.
> > >
> > > In FM, Table Footnote rolls to the next page:
> > > I have one instance where "the stars have aligned" and the table
> happens
> > > to end right at the bottom of the page, then the table footnotes appear
> > at
> > > the top of the next. I'd really prefer that at least 1 row of the
> table
> > > roll to the next page so the footnotes aren't orphaned.
> > >
> > > I thought it might have to do with the fact that this table is in a
> text
> > > inset, but if I go to the source document where the inset is and
> shorten
> > > the text flow to beneath the table, the footnotes roll as orphans there
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> > > The Table Footnote paragraph style is set to Keep With Previous.
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> > the
> > > footnote appears after the cell body text! For the moment, I've just
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> > Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 13:25:51 -0500
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> > Subject: [Framers] File storage best practice
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> > I'm facing the challenge of organizing the file structure of dozens of
> > documents and their respective imported graphics. What's are the best
> > practices in this regard? I'm inclined to maintain an Images folder with
> > separate sub-folders for each document's graphics, and another sub-folder
> > for graphics that are common to multiple documents.
> >
> > Where I worked before we stored images in a sub-folder below the
> document's
> > FM folder, but I'm leaning away from that approach since it complicates
> > things when you are scanning images outside of Frame. And other reasons,
> > of course.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Doug
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> > Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 14:57:42 -0500
> > From: David Artman <***@DavidArtman.com>
> > To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software."
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> > Subject: Re: [Framers] File storage best practice
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> > All in one folder, period. Modern OSs have great search, sort, and
> > filter controls in their file managers; and it makes packaging for
> > version archiving simple.
> > My 2?
> > David
> > [DCA:d.a.d.]
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> > Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 15:18:26 -0500
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> > At my former job, we assigned all graphics a number and everything got
> > dumped in a single folder. A spreadsheet kept track of the name of the
> > graphic, which was usually just the caption. Finding a graphic was very
> > easy if we had the number, and only a little less easy if we had a
> keyword
> > or two we could home in on.
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> > On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 2:57 PM David Artman <***@davidartman.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > All in one folder, period. Modern OSs have great search, sort, and
> > > filter controls in their file managers; and it makes packaging for
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> > I have to concur with the suggestions to keep everything associated with
> a
> > project / book in one folder - even though it seemed counterintuitive to
> > organizing by subfolder. I have a 12 chapter textbook with 150 figures
> and
> > tried segregating the graphics into a separate subfolder and ensuring the
> > linking path was correct. But, having to move across systems - and
> > generating FM pdf book output as well as WebWorks for epub and HTML5 book
> > output - convinced me that one folder works best. But, without an SVN
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> > needed to save versions) and could keep the master folder with everything
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> > At my former job, we assigned all graphics a number and everything got
> > dumped in a single folder. A spreadsheet kept track of the name of the
> > graphic, which was usually just the caption. Finding a graphic was very
> > easy if we had the number, and only a little less easy if we had a
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> > or two we could home in on.
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> > wrote:
> >
> > > All in one folder, period. Modern OSs have great search, sort, and
> > > filter controls in their file managers; and it makes packaging for
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Craig Ede
2018-11-30 16:01:20 UTC
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I agree. But the values to pair those properties with are an open question (though trial and error might suss it out). The value use for v6-11 changes in this fashion:
11,12,13,16,21,23

At a guess I'd start with 25 for FM12 and 27 for FM13 and see if that works.

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If Adobe maintains its pattern, then saving to FM12 would use
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Lin Sims
2018-11-30 16:11:49 UTC
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Interesting. The script I have, which was created by a former coworker who
adapted it from something Rick used in his ExtendScript class, does not
seem to have any mention of the value pairing Craig mentions. It does work,
though. I have not tried to update it for FM12, FM13, or FM14, though.

(NB: not a scripter. my updates consist of copying blocks of code and
pasting them with things like Constants.FV_SaveFmtBinary changed to what I
assume the new numbers are. I freely admit this may not be the best or
right way to do this, but FM seems to recognize the files saved to an
earlier format as being IN that earlier format when I try to open them in
the later version.)

On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 11:01 AM Craig Ede <***@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I agree. But the values to pair those properties with are an open question
> (though trial and error might suss it out). The value use for v6-11 changes
> in this fashion:
> 11,12,13,16,21,23
>
> At a guess I'd start with 25 for FM12 and 27 for FM13 and see if that
> works.
>
> Craig
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> If Adobe maintains its pattern, then saving to FM12 would use
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Craig Ede
2018-11-30 16:41:10 UTC
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At $24 Rick's ConvertDocs script is a steal and saves you having to worry about parameter values, error checking the script, etc. etc. etc.

Long live Rick!

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2018-11-30 16:51:42 UTC
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Rick is pretty awesome. :D

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> At $24 Rick's ConvertDocs script is a steal and saves you having to worry
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>
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Rick Quatro
2018-11-30 17:54:04 UTC
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When you use values like these in your script:

Constants.FV_SaveFmtBinary

they actually represent numbers. If you download and install the latest
FrameMaker FDK (free, but not sure the URL), you can see a list of these
constants in the include/fapidefs.h file. Somewhere around line 940 or so
you will see a list of these; here are a few of the entries:

#define FV_SaveFmtBinary100 21
#define FV_SaveFmtInterchange100 22
#define FV_SaveFmtBinary110 23
#define FV_SaveFmtInterchange110 24
#define FV_SaveFmtBinary120 25
#define FV_SaveFmtInterchange120 26
#define FV_SaveFmtBinary130 27
#define FV_SaveFmtInterchange130 28
#define FV_SaveFmtBinary140 29
#define FV_SaveFmtInterchange140 30
#define FV_SaveFmtBinary150 31
#define FV_SaveFmtInterchange150 32

You can use the raw numbers in your script, but the human-readable constants
are better. Of course after FrameMaker 12, the internal version numbers
don't match the marketing version numbers.

FrameMaker 2015 = 130 (in other areas 13)
FrameMaker 2017 = 140 (in other areas 14)
FrameMaker 2019 = 150 (in other areas 15)

Rick

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Subject: Re: [Framers] FM 11 / FM 14 compatibility property names for the
various binary doc types that start with

Interesting. The script I have, which was created by a former coworker who
adapted it from something Rick used in his ExtendScript class, does not seem
to have any mention of the value pairing Craig mentions. It does work,
though. I have not tried to update it for FM12, FM13, or FM14, though.

(NB: not a scripter. my updates consist of copying blocks of code and
pasting them with things like Constants.FV_SaveFmtBinary changed to what I
assume the new numbers are. I freely admit this may not be the best or right
way to do this, but FM seems to recognize the files saved to an earlier
format as being IN that earlier format when I try to open them in the later
version.)

On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 11:01 AM Craig Ede <***@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I agree. But the values to pair those properties with are an open
> question (though trial and error might suss it out). The value use for
> v6-11 changes in this fashion:
> 11,12,13,16,21,23
>
> At a guess I'd start with 25 for FM12 and 27 for FM13 and see if that
> works.
>
> Craig
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> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 9:49 AM
> To: Frame Users
> Subject: Re: [Framers] FM 11 / FM 14 compatibility property names for
> the various binary doc types that start with
>
> If Adobe maintains its pattern, then saving to FM12 would use
> Constants.FV_SaveFmtBinary120 and FM13 would be
> Constants.FV_SaveFmtBinary130.
>
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Doug
2018-12-04 13:50:43 UTC
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I'm using the Find/Change dialog to search for markers. I select Marker -
Of Type: and then click the down arrow at the end of the blank field below
that. I'm presented with a history of my searches.

Is there a way to clear this history?

Thanks!

Doug
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Stefan Gentz
2018-12-05 10:37:22 UTC
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Yes, there is:

For FM 2017 and higher, the Find/Change history is strored in the user's maker.ini, which you can find here:

C:\Users\<Your Windows User Name>\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\FrameMaker\<FmVersion>\maker.ini

In the [Preferences] section you can find the "FindStrings" and the "ChangeStrings" history:

FindStrings=HISTORY,FindString1, FindString2,etc.
ChangeStrings=HISTORY,ReplaceString1, ReplaceString2,etc.

You can change it to this to delete the history:

FindStrings=HISTORY,
ChangeStrings=HISTORY,
 
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I'm using the Find/Change dialog to search for markers. I select Marker - Of Type: and then click the down arrow at the end of the blank field below that. I'm presented with a history of my searches.

Is there a way to clear this history?

Thanks!

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2018-12-05 16:59:15 UTC
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On 4 Dec 2018 at 8:50, Doug wrote:

> Is there a way to clear this history?

FM 14/15 (2017/2019):
Open the file %appdata%\Adobe\FrameMaker\14\maker.ini or ...\5\... and look into
[Preferences]
FindStrings =HISTORY, comma seprated list of at most 9 items
ChangeStrings =HISTORY, comma seprated list of at most 9 items

You can delete the comma seprated list of at most 9 items. It will be re-started at
the next Text search. The last used/entered is inserted directly behind the word
HISTORY,

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Jayaprakash Gnanamurthy
2018-11-30 03:02:05 UTC
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Click on the row which has to be moved to the next page. Right-click >
Table > Row format > Choose from pulldown menu Start Row: *Top of page*
This option can be used to move a particular row to the top of next
page/column/etc., based on the selection.

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> 1. FM 11 / FM 14 compatibility (Marek, James)
> 2. Table footnotes (Bragg, Judy - Xylem)
> 3. Re: FM 11 / FM 14 compatibility (Rick Quatro)
> 4. Re: Table footnotes (Lin Sims)
> 5. File storage best practice (Doug)
> 6. Re: File storage best practice (David Artman)
> 7. Re: File storage best practice (Lin Sims)
> 8. Re: File storage best practice (William Saylor)
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> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 21:34:19 +0000
> From: "Marek, James" <***@siemens.com>
> To: "***@lists.frameusers.com" <***@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: [Framers] FM 11 / FM 14 compatibility
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> After 5 years of using Word, I get to use FrameMaker again! My colleagues
> are using FM 11, but the IT folks just gave me a link and license for FM
> 14. Can I save my work (FM 14) in .fm and .book files that my colleagues
> can use (FM 11)?
>
> Regards,
> Jim Marek
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 21:46:36 +0000
> From: "Bragg, Judy - Xylem" <***@hypack.com>
> To: "***@lists.frameusers.com" <***@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: [Framers] Table footnotes
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> I'm working in unstructured Tech. Comm. Suite 2015, and I have come across
> a couple of problems with table footnotes. I hope someone out there has a
> way around them.
>
> In FM, Table Footnote rolls to the next page:
> I have one instance where "the stars have aligned" and the table happens
> to end right at the bottom of the page, then the table footnotes appear at
> the top of the next. I'd really prefer that at least 1 row of the table
> roll to the next page so the footnotes aren't orphaned.
>
> I thought it might have to do with the fact that this table is in a text
> inset, but if I go to the source document where the inset is and shorten
> the text flow to beneath the table, the footnotes roll as orphans there too.
>
> The Table Footnote paragraph style is set to Keep With Previous.
> Changing table body styles to Keep With the Next would cause other, more
> frequent problems.
> Other ideas?
>
> Links to Table Footnotes:
> In FM, I have a table where 3 cells should reference the same footnote.
> I inserted a footnote in the table at the first instance, then manually
> made a superscript letter coinciding to that footnote in the other 2 cells
> and hyperlinked them to the table footnote.
>
> It works in FM, but when I port over to RoboHelp for the CHM files,
> instead of the manual hyperlinks in those 2 cells, the whole content of the
> footnote appears after the cell body text! For the moment, I've just
> removed the hyperlinks, but I'm curious why my method isn't working and if
> there's another way.
>
> Judy Bragg
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> -----Original Message-----
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> On
> Behalf Of Marek, James
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 4:34 PM
> To: ***@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: [Framers] FM 11 / FM 14 compatibility
>
> After 5 years of using Word, I get to use FrameMaker again! My colleagues
> are using FM 11, but the IT folks just gave me a link and license for FM
> 14.
> Can I save my work (FM 14) in .fm and .book files that my colleagues can
> use
> (FM 11)?
>
> Regards,
> Jim Marek
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> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 08:13:49 -0500
> From: Lin Sims <***@gmail.com>
> To: Frame Users <***@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Table footnotes
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> You could try increasing the row height slightly for that table so that a
> row or two rolls to the next page. I don't think using the Keep with Next
> will do what you're looking for, anyway, since it affects the table rows,
> not the footnotes.
>
> Truthfully, I've never been entirely happy with how Frame handles
> footnotes, particularly ones for tables. It's one of the few times where I
> think Word handles it better, which means it's one of the few things Word
> does that I agree with. ;-)
>
> I don't port to any Help formats, so I've no idea why it's pulling the text
> of the footnote. Generally speaking, though, if you want to have multiple
> references to the same footnote, best practise is to use the
> cross-reference function, not manually typing and adding a hyperlink. This
> has the added benefit that if your footnote numbering changes, the xref
> automatically updates on your next regen of the book file.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 8:25 PM Bragg, Judy - Xylem <***@hypack.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm working in unstructured Tech. Comm. Suite 2015, and I have come
> across
> > a couple of problems with table footnotes. I hope someone out there has a
> > way around them.
> >
> > In FM, Table Footnote rolls to the next page:
> > I have one instance where "the stars have aligned" and the table happens
> > to end right at the bottom of the page, then the table footnotes appear
> at
> > the top of the next. I'd really prefer that at least 1 row of the table
> > roll to the next page so the footnotes aren't orphaned.
> >
> > I thought it might have to do with the fact that this table is in a text
> > inset, but if I go to the source document where the inset is and shorten
> > the text flow to beneath the table, the footnotes roll as orphans there
> too.
> >
> > The Table Footnote paragraph style is set to Keep With Previous.
> > Changing table body styles to Keep With the Next would cause other, more
> > frequent problems.
> > Other ideas?
> >
> > Links to Table Footnotes:
> > In FM, I have a table where 3 cells should reference the same footnote.
> > I inserted a footnote in the table at the first instance, then manually
> > made a superscript letter coinciding to that footnote in the other 2
> cells
> > and hyperlinked them to the table footnote.
> >
> > It works in FM, but when I port over to RoboHelp for the CHM files,
> > instead of the manual hyperlinks in those 2 cells, the whole content of
> the
> > footnote appears after the cell body text! For the moment, I've just
> > removed the hyperlinks, but I'm curious why my method isn't working and
> if
> > there's another way.
> >
> > Judy Bragg
> > Technical Writer/QC
> > HYPACK - A Xylem Brand
> > 56 Bradley St.
> > Middletown, CT 06457
> > O: +1.860.635.1500
> > ***@xyleminc.com<mailto:***@xyleminc.com>
> > www.hypack.com<http://www.hypack.com/>
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> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 13:25:51 -0500
> From: Doug <***@gmail.com>
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> Subject: [Framers] File storage best practice
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> I'm facing the challenge of organizing the file structure of dozens of
> documents and their respective imported graphics. What's are the best
> practices in this regard? I'm inclined to maintain an Images folder with
> separate sub-folders for each document's graphics, and another sub-folder
> for graphics that are common to multiple documents.
>
> Where I worked before we stored images in a sub-folder below the document's
> FM folder, but I'm leaning away from that approach since it complicates
> things when you are scanning images outside of Frame. And other reasons,
> of course.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Doug
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> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 14:57:42 -0500
> From: David Artman <***@DavidArtman.com>
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> All in one folder, period. Modern OSs have great search, sort, and
> filter controls in their file managers; and it makes packaging for
> version archiving simple.
> My 2?
> David
> [DCA:d.a.d.]
>
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> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 15:18:26 -0500
> From: Lin Sims <***@gmail.com>
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> At my former job, we assigned all graphics a number and everything got
> dumped in a single folder. A spreadsheet kept track of the name of the
> graphic, which was usually just the caption. Finding a graphic was very
> easy if we had the number, and only a little less easy if we had a keyword
> or two we could home in on.
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 2:57 PM David Artman <***@davidartman.com>
> wrote:
>
> > All in one folder, period. Modern OSs have great search, sort, and
> > filter controls in their file managers; and it makes packaging for
> > version archiving simple.
> > My 2?
> > David
> > [DCA:d.a.d.]
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> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 13:38:29 -0700
> From: "William Saylor" <***@earthlink.net>
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> I have to concur with the suggestions to keep everything associated with a
> project / book in one folder - even though it seemed counterintuitive to
> organizing by subfolder. I have a 12 chapter textbook with 150 figures and
> tried segregating the graphics into a separate subfolder and ensuring the
> linking path was correct. But, having to move across systems - and
> generating FM pdf book output as well as WebWorks for epub and HTML5 book
> output - convinced me that one folder works best. But, without an SVN type
> repository I did have to move older chapters to a separate folder (if I
> needed to save versions) and could keep the master folder with everything
> being used in the project.
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> To: Frame Users <***@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] File storage best practice
>
> At my former job, we assigned all graphics a number and everything got
> dumped in a single folder. A spreadsheet kept track of the name of the
> graphic, which was usually just the caption. Finding a graphic was very
> easy if we had the number, and only a little less easy if we had a keyword
> or two we could home in on.
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 2:57 PM David Artman <***@davidartman.com>
> wrote:
>
> > All in one folder, period. Modern OSs have great search, sort, and
> > filter controls in their file managers; and it makes packaging for
> > version archiving simple.
> > My 2?
> > David
> > [DCA:d.a.d.]
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